This is a repost of a discussion on the More Christ channel and podcast where Spencer Klavan and I were invited to have a conversation. We discussed some of our agreements, especially pertaining to his book, titled “How to Save the West”. Please support the More Christ channel and stay tuned for our collaborations.

Original video:
More Christ – Episode 95: Jonathan Pageau and Spencer Klavan: God, Dante, Jordan Peterson and How to Save the West: https://youtu.be/tCfvVopvZsk

Spencer’s work:
– Book: How to Save the West: Ancient Wisdom for 5 Modern Crises by Spencer Klavan: https://www.amazon.com/How-Save-West-…
– Young Heretics: https://youngheretics.com/
– Daily Wire articles: https://www.dailywire.com/author/spen…

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Timestamps:
00:00:00 – Coming up next…
00:01:13 – Intro music
00:01:37 – Introduction
00:03:09 – Where Jonathan and Spencer’s work overlap
00:05:31 – 5 Major crises that threaten the West
00:09:25 – Fractals for unity and multiplicity
00:17:54 – Fractals in Scripture
00:21:08 – The Trinity and the infinite
00:26:54 – Trinity: hierarchy and equality
00:31:20 – Dominance hierarchy and self-emptying
00:35:12 – Spencer’s book
00:40:31 – Evolution and selection
00:49:05 – Optimism about the breakdown
00:53:52 – Virtual reality
01:02:44 – Video games
01:07:40 – Overindulgence and the passions
01:11:23 – The Crucifixion and the creation of the world
01:15:21 – Spencer’s hope for his book