Jonathan Pageau

Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world, how these patterns emerge and come together, manifesting in religion, art and in popular culture. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast.

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Where Darwinism Breaks Down - Stephen Meyer

In this video, I interview Stephen Meyer about evolution, intelligent design, Darwinianism, the advent of the biological information age, and how it changed the debate about the origins of life. We discuss the questions of what life and mind are, and how pattern and mind are part of and participate in creation. A former geophysicist and college professor, Stephen C. Meyer now directs Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture in Seattle. He has gained recent popularity about his perspective on evolution and appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. Learn more about Steve's work and books: https://stephencmeyer.org/ Timestamps: 00:00 - Coming up 01:15 - Intro music 01:39 - Introduction 02:31 - The appearance of intelligent design 05:43 - Fine-tuning and complexity 08:36 - The biological information age 11:58 - Creative constraints 14:36 - Mind and natural selection 17:29 - Functional sequences 23:55 - What is life? 30:20 - Pattern 36:23 - Methodological materialism 41:38 - Panpsychism 45:35 - What is mind? 49:47 - Simulation experiments 56:02 - Media interest 1:02:26 - New atheism 1:07:55 - Emergence 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
June 21, 2024
June 22, 2024
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The Last Judgement: The Culmination of Christian Symbolism

This is a talk I gave for Ralston College on the Icon of the Last Judgement, exploring Orthodox Christian imagery to understand ontology, theology, and how identity, symbolism, and fractals work in the medieval worldview. Ralston College website: https://www.ralston.ac/ Ralston College: Rethinking the Last Judgment: Cosmic Symbolism & the Metaphor for Self-Discovery | @JonathanPageau: https://youtu.be/30nx25GjCYI?si=D0nB-5iLQkycrJlQ ----- Timestamps: 00:00 - Coming up 00:28 - Intro music 00:55 - Introduction 05:01 - Start of talk 06:08 - The Last Judgement 10:19 - Church architecture 13:28 - Example: Crucifixion 16:10 - Another example: Adam and Eve in Hades 17:14 - What is the Last Judgement? Sheep & Goats 23:34 - Heavenly man 24:43 - Body/church 26:47 - The ascension: face and body 28:27 - Peter and Paul 33:56 - Ideal man judges all 36:40 - The prepared throne 38:59 - Heaven above, hell below 42:38 - Gathering into the Cross 46:47 - Self-giving 49:57 - Hell and disintegration 54:30 - Q&A starts: How do we find our way from division to unity? 57:28 - Plato 59:00 - Unity and uniformity 01:00:08 - Questions about the icons 01:03:36 - Man as judge 01:04:15 - The aspects of the Left 01:04:55 - All the Saints 01:07:58 - Can the symbolic and Thomistic views be integrated? 01:09:03 - How we can translate masculinity and femininity symbolism 01:14:12 - How do you read and interpret images 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
May 8, 2024
May 8, 2024
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The Vital Sign of Beauty - with Timothy Patitsas

This is my second interview with Timothy Patitsas on the topic of beauty. We also discuss filmmaking, the work of Dr. Iain Mcgilchrist, liturgy, self-sacrifice, and social renewal as part of the fruits of a beautiful life. Timothy G. Patitsas has been the Interim Dean of Hellenic College since January of 2020 and the Assistant Professor of Ethics at Holy Cross since the Fall of 2005. In 2019 he published The Ethics of Beauty, an attempt to recover one of the most ancient emphases of Orthodox spirituality, which is the firm priority given to combating the sensual rather than the intellectual passions. The book shows how this translates into a consoling and liberating Beauty-first approach to Orthodox ethics and life. The work also presents ethical, theological, and scriptural definitions of traumatic experience with a view to aiding recovery. Direct and most affordable place to get Ethics of Beauty by Timothy Patitsas: https://www.stnicholaspress.net/ethics-of-beauty Timothy’s film company, Beauty First Films: https://www.beautyfirstfilms.com The documentary film that Jonathan saw: Amphilochios: Saint of Patmos: https://www.beautyfirstfilms.com/amphilochios Save the date! On Thursday, April 18th at 7 pm, I will present at Maliotis Cultural Center on "The Icons of Holy Week". Get your $15 tickets on Eventbrite today. Eventbrite link: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/835903900067?aff=oddtdtcreator Facebook event link: https://www.facebook.com/events/918152849765191/?active_tab=discussion

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
April 2, 2024
April 3, 2024
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The Next Great Revival - with Justin Brierley

I had the opportunity to sit down with Justin Brierley to talk about Christian apologetics, the state of public discussions about faith, new converts, the identity crisis, and the rise of the “Christian atheist” with figures like Tom Holland, Jordan Peterson, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali intellectually aligning themselves with Christianity. Justin Brierley is a freelance writer, speaker and broadcaster who has become known for creating dialogues between Christians and non-Christians. Justin is passionate about creating conversations around faith, science, theology, and culture. Through creative use of podcast, radio, print, video and social media, he aims to showcase an intellectually compelling case for Christianity, while taking seriously the questions and objections of sceptics. Justin has worked in radio, podcast and video for over two decades. Until April 2023 he was Theology & Apologetics Editor for Premier Christian Radio, and hosted the Unbelievable? radio show and podcast as well as the Ask NT Wright Anything podcast. Justin was also editor of Premier Christianity magazine from 2014-2018, for which he continues to contribute articles. Justin’s website: https://justinbrierley.com Justin Brierley’s book, The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God: Why New Atheism Grew Old and Secular Thinkers Are Considering Christianity Again (Sep 2023): https://www.amazon.com/Surprising-Rebirth-Belief-God-Christianity-ebook/dp/B0BX14YSTH My recent feature with Justin Brierley on the Re-Enchanting podcast brought to you by (@SeenUnseenMag) Seen & Unseen Magazine: https://youtu.be/ToWHWrmN2xY?si=7zU_Te_-p5aasJWm Mentioned: - Jordan Peterson on the Unbelievable podcast, debating with Susan Blackmore: https://youtu.be/syP-OtdCIho?si=7UFzr6K6PIluV7fO - Ayaan Hirsi Ali article on UnHerd magazine, ‘Why I am now a Christian: Atheism can't equip us for civilisational war’: https://unherd.com/2023/11/why-i-am-now-a-christian/ Timestamps: 00:00 - Coming up 00:44 - Intro music 01:10 - Introduction 02:49 - The rise of the Christian atheist 05:57 - Elevatorgate 11:54 - Giving Christianity a second look 14:11 - Ayaan Hirsi Ali Unherd article 14:39 - New converts 18:14 - Men's meaning crisis 21:22 - What's lying ahead 27:07 - Recapture apologetics today 29:16 - The role of artists 33:41 - Non-Christian Christian apologists 36:34 - Jordan Peterson's debate on Unbelievable 41:10 - “It depends on what you mean by ____”

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
March 30, 2024
March 30, 2024
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The New Odyssey - with Dr. Martin Shaw

Dr. Martin Shaw will be a speaker at the Symbolic World Summit next year in Tarpon Springs, Florida. In this conversation we discuss pagan stories, including The Odyssey and The Iliad, our current moment in the West, the return of paganism and a desire for Kleos (imperishable glory) in modern life. We also talk about how much paganism differs from Christianity, wrestling with Scripture as a mythographer, and Martin’s journey to Orthodox Christianity. Dr Martin Shaw is a writer, storyteller, and mythologist. Award-winning author of seventeen books, his most recent, Bardskull, was Guardian Book of the Day and described by the Sunday Times as “rich and transgressive.” He is a wilderness rites of passage guide and spent four years living in a tent. Shaw founded the Oral Tradition and Living Myth courses at Stanford University and is described by the Irish Times as an “interloper from the medieval.” An Eastern Orthodox Christian, over the last twenty-five years Shaw has introduced thousands of people to myth and how it speaks to our age. He is widely published: Orion, The Sun, Mississippi Review, Poetry International and many others. Dr. Martin Shaw’s website: https://drmartinshaw.com/ Substack: https://martinshaw.substack.com/ Join me and Dr. Martin Shaw and others at the Symbolic World Summit in Tarpon Springs, Florida. Date: Feb 29-Mar 2, 2024 Tickets start at $399: https://thesymbolicworld.com/summit

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
November 2, 2023
November 7, 2023
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A.I. Ethics - with Dr. Paula Boddington

Paula Boddington returns to the channel for us to discuss new developments in artificial intelligence, ChatGPT, ethics, healthcare, the meaning of intelligence, and how AI is exposing how some of our current ways of doing things don’t work, and maybe they haven’t been working for a while. Paula Boddington is Associate Professor of Philosophy and Healthcare at the University of West London where she works with a research group concerned with the quality of care for hospital patients who are also living with dementia. She has held academic posts at the Australian National University, Bristol University, Cardiff University, and Oxford University, and has degrees in philosophy, psychology, and law from Keele, Oxford, and Cardiff Universities. She has a long-standing interest in ethical and social questions in new technologies, including artificial intelligence. Previous discussions with Paula Boddington: - How Artificial Intelligence is Reshaping Humanity - With Dr. Paula Boddington: https://youtu.be/jti77KQKYuc - Digital ID and Control | with Dr. Paula Boddington: https://youtu.be/a9VeKqd6szA - Biotech Creation Myths - with Dr. Paula Boddington: https://youtu.be/a9VeKqd6szA Her recent book on this topic, AI Ethics: A Textbook (Artificial Intelligence: Foundations, Theory, and Algorithms) by Paula Boddington: - Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-Artificial-Intelligence-Foundations-Algorithms-ebook/dp/B0BSGKRYTW - Springer: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-981-19-9382-4 —-------------------- Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Preview clip 00:00:46 - Intro music 00:01:11 - Introduction 00:01:52 - Various aspects of AI 00:04:12 - ChatGPT 00:09:36 - Power and intention 00:11:02 - What it means to do something 00:12:52 - Imposing limitations 00:13:44 - Paula's book 00:17:35 - Intelligence is only one part of us 00:19:35 - Public trust in AI 00:26:37 - Embodied living 00:29:32 - Medically assisted dying 00:31:39 - Machine doctors 00:32:21 - "This is going to save time" 00:33:58 - A return to embodied experience 00:43:35 - Keeping the passions under control 00:49:57 - Fetishize —-------------------- 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
July 18, 2023
November 7, 2023
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Artificial Intelligence in Biblical Terms - with Jordan Hall

I catch up with Jordan Hall in light of recent developments about artificial intelligence, how people are responding to it and conceptualizing it, Ai and ChatGPT in Biblical terms, understanding the weight and ramifications of terms like "god", agency, angels and demons, wisdom, virtue, and technical knowledge and application. Jordan's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMzT-mdCqoyEv_-YZVtE7MQ His writings: https://medium.com/deep-code Read Jordan's bio here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordangreenhall --------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Coming up next 00:01:14 - Intro 00:01:40 - The diagnostic on Ai 00:04:24 - Snow White project 00:07:28 - Jordan's Perspective on Ai 00:09:22 - "We're building a god" 00:12:57 - A god and a genie 00:16:43 - Rampant implementation 00:19:56 - The difference between angels and demons 00:25:05 - Building walls against the flood 00:29:51 - Where this is going, in Biblical terms 00:36:15 - The question to ask 00:40:49 - Bringing the virtues into the world 00:43:51 - Saints 00:46:00 - Crisis of conscience and repentance 00:50:02 - Elon Musk 00:55:22 - The invisible conspiracy 00:59:27 - Reorganization 01:01:16 - Increase in power 01:05:51 - Solomon, AI, and 1984 01:13:05 - Power vs principality 01:16:28 - Solomon --------------------------- 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
June 15, 2023
November 7, 2023
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Music and Pattern (Royal Northern College of Music Q&A)

Many of you might have seen this Q&A on YouTube already. It's been on YouTube for a whole 6 months and we have made many clips from it, but since it's such a good discussion, I thought it would be a shame not to have it on my channel. Thank you to the Royal Northern College of Music for hosting the discussion. Original video: https://youtu.be/TcfEQyz8nVg -------------------- Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Coming up next 00:00:58 - Intro music 00:01:22 - Start 00:01:49 - Why is symbolism an effective approach to religion? 00:06:05 - Does it matter that all of it happened? 00:08:36 - "Only" symbolic 00:13:43 - Archetypes VS fractals 00:19:37 - The purpose of music 00:26:07 - Music and liturgy 00:28:31 - Freeing ourselves from the pattern 00:34:28 - Relationship between objective truth and these patterns 00:37:54 - Can we look at beauty as something objective like biology? 00:45:27 - Was modernism inevitable? 00:54:02 - Do you discover or invent 00:59:44 - Authoritarianism + Freedom 01:00:57 - Traditional iconography and variation 01:05:53 - Do you discover something under symbolism? 01:08:45 - Psychedelics 01:12:36 - Discern pattern and practicality 01:17:15 - Creating new religions 01:22:13 - More open discussion in the West + wokeness 01:27:54 - Orthodoxy and orthopraxy 01:29:29 - Spirituality without religion 01:34:01 - How to avoid the dark side of dogma 01:35:15 - Self-flagellation is pride 01:37:30 - Continue: the dark side of dogma 01:39:28 - Antidote to pride 01:41:55 - Self-reference being psychologically detrimental 01:43:13 - Humility vs pride 01:45:20 - Beauty and artistic idiosyncrasy 01:46:29 - Serving your audience 01:49:45 - Dante -------------------- 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
May 11, 2023
November 7, 2023
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The Symposium - with John Vervaeke & Jacob Howland

I sit down with John Vervaeke and Jacob Howland to discuss The Symposium, one of the great dialogues of Plato. Professor Jacob Howland is Director of University of Austin, Texas' Intellectual Foundations program. Previously, Howland served as McFarlin Professor of Philosophy at the University of Tulsa and Senior Fellow at the Tikvah Fund. He is the author of five books and one edited book, including two on Plato’s Republic as well as studies of Kierkegaard and the Talmud. Howland’s articles have appeared in The New Criterion, City Journal, and The Nation, among others. John Vervaeke: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke Jacob Howland: https://www.jacobhowland.com/ - Jacob's book, Plato and the Talmud: https://www.amazon.com/Plato-Talmud-Jacob-Howland/dp/1107612691 - John Vervaeke's YouTube series, After Socrates: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuj6q5NP_fXjBzUT1p_qYSCC - Event in Chino, California in May, titled, 'The Quest for a Spiritual Home': https://events.eventzilla.net/e/estuary-chino-2023-2138601197 - Plato's Dialogues, including The Symposium, are included in our The Symbolic World reading list. See here for more: https://thesymbolicworld.com/reading-list ------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Coming up next 00:00:33 - Intro music 00:00:59 - Important announcement 00:02:23 - Introduction 00:03:35 - Aggression and sexuality - Aristophanes 00:06:41 - The Symposium 00:09:39 - Alcibiades 00:12:27 - Great accomplishment of Socrates 00:13:26 - Eros and the Christian ascetics 00:19:31 - Return to The Symposium: ascent and tragedy 00:23:41 - What makes the difference? 00:25:41 - Asceticism and seduction 00:29:08 - The longing of Alcibiades 00:33:44 - The Aristophanes myth 00:37:06 - Organic unity VS the Tower of Babel 00:40:04 - Natural polarity 00:42:58 - Custom 00:47:41 - The lover of wisdom 00:50:22 - The gift from God and the gadfly 00:54:35 - The ground of intelligibility 00:57:06 - The secret of asceticism 00:58:55 - The ladder of ascent 01:01:49 - Babel 01:05:18 - Engaged detachment 01:08:50 - Tragedy and comedy 01:12:46 - Where does this drive come from? 01:23:47 - The key difference 01:30:44 - The source 01:40:01 - Final remarks 01:41:50 - Event ------------------------- 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau
April 26, 2023
November 7, 2023