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Martin Shaw - The Odyssey, the Underworld, and Resurrection

I sat down with Martin Shaw to talk about the underworld and the deep pattern of descent and return. He also gave his own fresh perspective on Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey movie. We explored what it means to come home changed, how these ancient stories illuminate the Bible, and why resurrection is inseparable from the journey through death. Listen to this on The Symbolic World podcast: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2gs9dXTngjhAUQJrgP3s6Z?si=pjiqXjkXT6ybEYu_PeXElA - Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/471-martin-shaw-the-odyssey-the/id1386867488?i=1000782001711 Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ ===== Into the Underworld: Tales of Spiritual Initiation in Martin Shaw’s online course that launches in September. It's Martin's most ambitious course yet, venturing into entirely new territory: stories from the Bible and the lives of the Saints. The course includes more than 6 hours of recorded teaching from a live workshop, plus a limited number of seats for an intimate series of live lectures and interaction over Zoom. Enrollment will be open for a limited time, and space for live sessions is scarce - sign up for the waitlist at JAWBONESTORIES.COM to get early access to Enrollment. Also, get a special surprise from Martin just for joining the waitlist! https://www.jawbonestories.com/ In this course, Martin will tell and teach on: Joseph, Jacob and Esau, Ruth and Naomi, Blind Tobit, The Voyage of Brendan, St. Patrick's Bell. ===== Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron) Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026 http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

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Jonathan Pageau
Aug 10, 2026
August 10, 2026

Martin Shaw - The Odyssey, the Underworld, and Resurrection

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Aug 10, 2026
August 10, 2026

I sat down with Martin Shaw to talk about the underworld and the deep pattern of descent and return. He also gave his own fresh perspective on Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey movie. We explored what it means to come home changed, how these ancient stories illuminate the Bible, and why resurrection is inseparable from the journey through death. Listen to this on The Symbolic World podcast: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2gs9dXTngjhAUQJrgP3s6Z?si=pjiqXjkXT6ybEYu_PeXElA - Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/471-martin-shaw-the-odyssey-the/id1386867488?i=1000782001711 Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ ===== Into the Underworld: Tales of Spiritual Initiation in Martin Shaw’s online course that launches in September. It's Martin's most ambitious course yet, venturing into entirely new territory: stories from the Bible and the lives of the Saints. The course includes more than 6 hours of recorded teaching from a live workshop, plus a limited number of seats for an intimate series of live lectures and interaction over Zoom. Enrollment will be open for a limited time, and space for live sessions is scarce - sign up for the waitlist at JAWBONESTORIES.COM to get early access to Enrollment. Also, get a special surprise from Martin just for joining the waitlist! https://www.jawbonestories.com/ In this course, Martin will tell and teach on: Joseph, Jacob and Esau, Ruth and Naomi, Blind Tobit, The Voyage of Brendan, St. Patrick's Bell. ===== Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron) Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026 http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

What Mockery of Masculinity Really Looks Like

In this video, I compare The Odyssey and Masters of the Universe to explore two very different visions of masculinity and heroism. While one reduces masculine strength to fantasy, insecurity, and mockery, the other confronts its dangers while still moving toward repentance, reconciliation, and the return home. The difference is not simply political. It is the difference between a story that despises the hero and one that seeks to restore him. Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron) Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Aug 6, 2026
August 6, 2026

What Mockery of Masculinity Really Looks Like

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Aug 6, 2026
August 6, 2026

In this video, I compare The Odyssey and Masters of the Universe to explore two very different visions of masculinity and heroism. While one reduces masculine strength to fantasy, insecurity, and mockery, the other confronts its dangers while still moving toward repentance, reconciliation, and the return home. The difference is not simply political. It is the difference between a story that despises the hero and one that seeks to restore him. Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron) Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

The One and the Many - with Luke Burgis

It's not hard to find your tribe. The real challenge today is not losing yourself within one. Luke Burgis and I discuss why we struggle as modern people to belong without losing ourselves, how technology fragments our desires, why family, friendship, and real communion are essential to becoming a person, and also the opposite, that to really connect with others you must be true to yourself. Luke's book, The One and the Ninety-Nine: https://www.amazon.com/One-Ninety-Nine-Forging-Identity-Contagion-ebook/dp/B0FLYVP6WD Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron) Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026 Timestamps: 00:00 – Coming up 02:38 – Introduction 02:52 – Luke Burgess and The One and the Ninety-Nine 03:19 – The tension between individuality and belonging 04:10 – The lost sheep, the one, and the many 06:30 – Why the modern self has become fragile 08:57 – When celebrating difference turns into isolation 10:50 – Why “selling out” no longer carries the same stigma 12:01 – Differentiation, imitation, and false individuality 12:55 – Choosing a vocation beyond market niches 15:18 – Symbolic World Summit in Oxford 17:31 – How technology reshapes the human person 18:02 – Social media as a source of mimetic desire 20:02 – Why online models become so powerful 20:48 – Technology, distraction, and the loss of strong desire 23:09 – Parasocial relationships and vicarious participation 24:42 – Can religious identity become another performance? 25:22 – Thin religion, online faith, and performative belonging 27:39 – Receiving an identity rather than inventing one 29:22 – Suffering, friction, and the consequences of the Fall 31:56 – Is it acceptable to “fake it until you make it” spiritually? 33:38 – False piety and performative religion 34:51 – The danger of the online “Orthobro” 36:16 – The family as a school of communion 38:32 – Differentiating yourself from your family 40:57 – Homogenization versus communion 41:09 – Teenage rebellion as hostile individuation 42:00 – Rebellion as a substitute rite of passage 43:51 – Why identity must serve something higher 45:43 – The family should not become an isolated unit 47:26 – Does it take a village to raise a child? 48:47 – When political identity is built through opposition 49:34 – Internal family systems and the divided self 52:23 – How algorithms feed fragmented parts of ourselves 53:21 – Monetizing anger and online performance 54:56 – What hope is there for young people? 55:47 – Give young people a name, not a niche 58:05 – Communities we cannot easily abandon 01:00:04 – Choosing deliberately what previous generations inherited naturally 01:02:25 – Friendship, commitment, and cultural renewal 01:04:03 – Final thoughts on individuation and communion 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Aug 5, 2026
August 5, 2026

The One and the Many - with Luke Burgis

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Aug 5, 2026
August 5, 2026

It's not hard to find your tribe. The real challenge today is not losing yourself within one. Luke Burgis and I discuss why we struggle as modern people to belong without losing ourselves, how technology fragments our desires, why family, friendship, and real communion are essential to becoming a person, and also the opposite, that to really connect with others you must be true to yourself. Luke's book, The One and the Ninety-Nine: https://www.amazon.com/One-Ninety-Nine-Forging-Identity-Contagion-ebook/dp/B0FLYVP6WD Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron) Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026 Timestamps: 00:00 – Coming up 02:38 – Introduction 02:52 – Luke Burgess and The One and the Ninety-Nine 03:19 – The tension between individuality and belonging 04:10 – The lost sheep, the one, and the many 06:30 – Why the modern self has become fragile 08:57 – When celebrating difference turns into isolation 10:50 – Why “selling out” no longer carries the same stigma 12:01 – Differentiation, imitation, and false individuality 12:55 – Choosing a vocation beyond market niches 15:18 – Symbolic World Summit in Oxford 17:31 – How technology reshapes the human person 18:02 – Social media as a source of mimetic desire 20:02 – Why online models become so powerful 20:48 – Technology, distraction, and the loss of strong desire 23:09 – Parasocial relationships and vicarious participation 24:42 – Can religious identity become another performance? 25:22 – Thin religion, online faith, and performative belonging 27:39 – Receiving an identity rather than inventing one 29:22 – Suffering, friction, and the consequences of the Fall 31:56 – Is it acceptable to “fake it until you make it” spiritually? 33:38 – False piety and performative religion 34:51 – The danger of the online “Orthobro” 36:16 – The family as a school of communion 38:32 – Differentiating yourself from your family 40:57 – Homogenization versus communion 41:09 – Teenage rebellion as hostile individuation 42:00 – Rebellion as a substitute rite of passage 43:51 – Why identity must serve something higher 45:43 – The family should not become an isolated unit 47:26 – Does it take a village to raise a child? 48:47 – When political identity is built through opposition 49:34 – Internal family systems and the divided self 52:23 – How algorithms feed fragmented parts of ourselves 53:21 – Monetizing anger and online performance 54:56 – What hope is there for young people? 55:47 – Give young people a name, not a niche 58:05 – Communities we cannot easily abandon 01:00:04 – Choosing deliberately what previous generations inherited naturally 01:02:25 – Friendship, commitment, and cultural renewal 01:04:03 – Final thoughts on individuation and communion 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Universal History: Rohlin vs Pageau: The Problems With Nolan’s Odyssey

Deacon Seraphim Rohlin joins me for an emergency Universal History episode to debate Christopher Nolan’s adaptation of The Odyssey. We discuss what the film gets right and where it misunderstands the ancient world. Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron) Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 30, 2026
July 30, 2026

Universal History: Rohlin vs Pageau: The Problems With Nolan’s Odyssey

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 30, 2026
July 30, 2026

Deacon Seraphim Rohlin joins me for an emergency Universal History episode to debate Christopher Nolan’s adaptation of The Odyssey. We discuss what the film gets right and where it misunderstands the ancient world. Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron) Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Nolan’s The Odyssey Full Breakdown: The Post World War 2 Consensus Movie We Need

Spoiler alert. In this video, I offer a full symbolic breakdown of Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey, going through the entire film sequence by sequence to examine its use of trickery, guilt, hospitality, memory, and the return of the father. I explain that I think Nolan is deliberately unsettling both the left and the right, and why the story he tells is definitely a contemporary retelling, but ultimately more traditional than many viewers realize – and that’s exactly why it’s needed in our world right now. Listen to this episode (#467) the Symbolic World podcast: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 - Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Register for Universal History Masterclass during the month of July and get 15% off: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 20, 2026
July 21, 2026

Nolan’s The Odyssey Full Breakdown: The Post World War 2 Consensus Movie We Need

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 20, 2026
July 21, 2026

Spoiler alert. In this video, I offer a full symbolic breakdown of Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey, going through the entire film sequence by sequence to examine its use of trickery, guilt, hospitality, memory, and the return of the father. I explain that I think Nolan is deliberately unsettling both the left and the right, and why the story he tells is definitely a contemporary retelling, but ultimately more traditional than many viewers realize – and that’s exactly why it’s needed in our world right now. Listen to this episode (#467) the Symbolic World podcast: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 - Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Register for Universal History Masterclass during the month of July and get 15% off: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Malcolm Guite - Old Stories Know Secrets That We Have Forgotten

Malcolm Guite is a poet and Anglican priest. He is a Life Fellow of Girton College, Cambridge and lives in Norfolk, England. He lectures widely in England and North America on Theology and Literature. His books include Sounding the Seasons; Seventy Sonnets for the Christian Year (Canterbury 2012). The Singing Bowl; Collected Poems (Canterbury 2013) and Parable and Paradox (Canterbury Press 2016) and Mariner: A Voyage with Samuel Taylor Coleridge (Hodder 2017) After Prayer (Canterbury Press 2019) and The Word Within the Words (DLT 2021) and Lifting The Veil, Square Halo, 2021. In 2023 he was awarded the Archbishop Lanfranc Medal for Education and Scholarship by the Archbishop of Canterbury. He is presently working on Merlin’s Isle: an Arthuriad a four volume epic poem on The Arthurian legends He has a Youtube series called ‘A Spell in the Library’ at https://www.youtube.com/c/MalcolmGuitespell Listen to this episode on the Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3gYKw6vFmaZ7hG36RabVJF?si=m3xOPZ1YQSygexntQwUQbQ -Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Galahad and the Holy Grail: https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/merlins-isle Patrons of The Symbolic World can watch the 30 minute documentary here: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/premium-content/merlins-isle Subscribe here if you’re not already a patron: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Register for Universal History Masterclass during the month of July and get 15% off: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com Timestamps: 00:00 – Coming up 01:29 – Introduction 03:05 – Malcolm Guite’s Calling as Priest and Poet 06:39 – Can the Imagination Be Dangerous? 09:27 – Imagination as the Organ of Meaning 11:58 – Fantasy, Escapism, and Enchantment 15:46 – Why Arthurian Stories Resist Modernization 19:57 – Galahad and the Grail 21:20 – What Arthurian Stories Reveal About Human Brokenness 23:27 – The Scope of Malcolm’s Arthurian Project 26:05 – The Dolorous Stroke and the Origin of the Wasteland 30:54 – “You Live in Just Such a World” 33:20 – The Wasteland as a Pattern of Reality 37:51 – Recovering the Christian Meaning of the Grail 40:44 – Universal History Masterclass 42:42 – Why Malcolm Chose the Ballad Form 44:59 – The Collapse of the Materialist Worldview 49:41 – Remembering Without Falling into Unreason 51:46 – Tradition as Active Remembrance 53:19 – Tradition as the Roots of a Living Tree 54:40 – How Irony Destroys Old Stories 57:56 – Daring to Be Naive Again 58:28 – The Four-Volume Arthurian Series 59:54 – Why the Beauty of the Book Matters 01:01:10 – Chivalry, Masculinity, and the Civilized Warrior 01:02:23 – Fellow Travelers in the Recovery of Meaning Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 18, 2026
July 18, 2026

Malcolm Guite - Old Stories Know Secrets That We Have Forgotten

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 18, 2026
July 18, 2026

Malcolm Guite is a poet and Anglican priest. He is a Life Fellow of Girton College, Cambridge and lives in Norfolk, England. He lectures widely in England and North America on Theology and Literature. His books include Sounding the Seasons; Seventy Sonnets for the Christian Year (Canterbury 2012). The Singing Bowl; Collected Poems (Canterbury 2013) and Parable and Paradox (Canterbury Press 2016) and Mariner: A Voyage with Samuel Taylor Coleridge (Hodder 2017) After Prayer (Canterbury Press 2019) and The Word Within the Words (DLT 2021) and Lifting The Veil, Square Halo, 2021. In 2023 he was awarded the Archbishop Lanfranc Medal for Education and Scholarship by the Archbishop of Canterbury. He is presently working on Merlin’s Isle: an Arthuriad a four volume epic poem on The Arthurian legends He has a Youtube series called ‘A Spell in the Library’ at https://www.youtube.com/c/MalcolmGuitespell Listen to this episode on the Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3gYKw6vFmaZ7hG36RabVJF?si=m3xOPZ1YQSygexntQwUQbQ -Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Galahad and the Holy Grail: https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/merlins-isle Patrons of The Symbolic World can watch the 30 minute documentary here: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/premium-content/merlins-isle Subscribe here if you’re not already a patron: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Register for Universal History Masterclass during the month of July and get 15% off: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com Timestamps: 00:00 – Coming up 01:29 – Introduction 03:05 – Malcolm Guite’s Calling as Priest and Poet 06:39 – Can the Imagination Be Dangerous? 09:27 – Imagination as the Organ of Meaning 11:58 – Fantasy, Escapism, and Enchantment 15:46 – Why Arthurian Stories Resist Modernization 19:57 – Galahad and the Grail 21:20 – What Arthurian Stories Reveal About Human Brokenness 23:27 – The Scope of Malcolm’s Arthurian Project 26:05 – The Dolorous Stroke and the Origin of the Wasteland 30:54 – “You Live in Just Such a World” 33:20 – The Wasteland as a Pattern of Reality 37:51 – Recovering the Christian Meaning of the Grail 40:44 – Universal History Masterclass 42:42 – Why Malcolm Chose the Ballad Form 44:59 – The Collapse of the Materialist Worldview 49:41 – Remembering Without Falling into Unreason 51:46 – Tradition as Active Remembrance 53:19 – Tradition as the Roots of a Living Tree 54:40 – How Irony Destroys Old Stories 57:56 – Daring to Be Naive Again 58:28 – The Four-Volume Arthurian Series 59:54 – Why the Beauty of the Book Matters 01:01:10 – Chivalry, Masculinity, and the Civilized Warrior 01:02:23 – Fellow Travelers in the Recovery of Meaning Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

The Odyssey is Christopher Nolan's Trick

In this video, I discuss Christopher Nolan’s highly anticipated new film adaptation of The Odyssey after watching it at the premiere. Sign up for the Universal History Masterclass during the month of July and get 15% off: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

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Jonathan Pageau
Jul 15, 2026
July 15, 2026

The Odyssey is Christopher Nolan's Trick

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 15, 2026
July 15, 2026

In this video, I discuss Christopher Nolan’s highly anticipated new film adaptation of The Odyssey after watching it at the premiere. Sign up for the Universal History Masterclass during the month of July and get 15% off: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Logos Cinema: Orthodox films, TV shows, and documentaries - streaming now! Get a discount.

I speak with Andrew Stokich, co-founder of Logo Cinema, about building a home for beautiful Christian storytelling. We discuss the limits of modern Christian film, the need to recover deeper symbolic stories, and Logo Cinema’s vision for supporting Orthodox filmmakers and audiences. Sign up for Logos Cinema with the special discount link: https://www.logoscinema.com/the-symbolic-world-summit Paradise Imagined. Join us from September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House. Only 150 tickets will be sold. Don't miss out. https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe

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Jonathan Pageau
Jul 10, 2026
July 10, 2026

Logos Cinema: Orthodox films, TV shows, and documentaries - streaming now! Get a discount.

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 10, 2026
July 10, 2026

I speak with Andrew Stokich, co-founder of Logo Cinema, about building a home for beautiful Christian storytelling. We discuss the limits of modern Christian film, the need to recover deeper symbolic stories, and Logo Cinema’s vision for supporting Orthodox filmmakers and audiences. Sign up for Logos Cinema with the special discount link: https://www.logoscinema.com/the-symbolic-world-summit Paradise Imagined. Join us from September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House. Only 150 tickets will be sold. Don't miss out. https://symbolicworldsummit.com/ http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe

Universal History: What Was Noah’s Ark Really?

In this episode (Part 3 on our series that will soon become about Persia), we continue reading The Cave of Treasures with Deacon Seraphim, looking at Noah, the world before the flood, the strange traditions around the Ark, and how Adam, Paradise, priesthood, and Melchizedek are all carried through the waters into the new world. Register now and get 15% off the Universal History Masterclass! https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Part 1: https://youtu.be/f--wBUEAxjY?si=thM3QIB4jcwnqpzu Part 2: https://youtu.be/3D2bRWrbKUU?si=odQ6p9ehqS912PEb 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

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Jonathan Pageau
Jul 8, 2026
July 8, 2026

Universal History: What Was Noah’s Ark Really?

Jonathan PageauSymbolic World Icon
Jonathan Pageau
Jul 8, 2026
July 8, 2026

In this episode (Part 3 on our series that will soon become about Persia), we continue reading The Cave of Treasures with Deacon Seraphim, looking at Noah, the world before the flood, the strange traditions around the Ark, and how Adam, Paradise, priesthood, and Melchizedek are all carried through the waters into the new world. Register now and get 15% off the Universal History Masterclass! https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Part 1: https://youtu.be/f--wBUEAxjY?si=thM3QIB4jcwnqpzu Part 2: https://youtu.be/3D2bRWrbKUU?si=odQ6p9ehqS912PEb 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

The Antihero Meets Christianity - with Gregg Hurwitz

In this conversation I speak with Gregg Hurwitz about his new Orphan X novel, Antihero, and the surprising role Orthodox Christianity plays in the story. We discuss the assassin who is forced to face mercy, the limits of violence, the exhaustion of modern storytelling, and why we may need a new kind of hero, one who can hold together justice, sacrifice, and humanity. Listen to this discussion on the Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Gregg Hurwitz books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001IXPXTG Latest Novella, The Delivery: https://www.amazon.com/Delivery-Novella-Gregg-Hurwitz-ebook/dp/B0FX5Y9FQG Antihero: https://www.amazon.com/Antihero-Orphan-Novel-11/dp/1250479916 📢 Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

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Jonathan Pageau
Jul 3, 2026
July 3, 2026

The Antihero Meets Christianity - with Gregg Hurwitz

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Jonathan Pageau
Jul 3, 2026
July 3, 2026

In this conversation I speak with Gregg Hurwitz about his new Orphan X novel, Antihero, and the surprising role Orthodox Christianity plays in the story. We discuss the assassin who is forced to face mercy, the limits of violence, the exhaustion of modern storytelling, and why we may need a new kind of hero, one who can hold together justice, sacrifice, and humanity. Listen to this discussion on the Symbolic World podcast: -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5 -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 Gregg Hurwitz books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001IXPXTG Latest Novella, The Delivery: https://www.amazon.com/Delivery-Novella-Gregg-Hurwitz-ebook/dp/B0FX5Y9FQG Antihero: https://www.amazon.com/Antihero-Orphan-Novel-11/dp/1250479916 📢 Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel 🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/